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Category:   E-Discussion
Subject:   Give back to Caesar what pertains to Caesar
From:   Amal Al-Toaimy
Email:   Atoaimy_(on)_pscw.psc.edu.sa
Date received:   12 Oct 2005

Dear Elsnet, have never thought that such educated people will react negatively and in a very aggressive manner. As I mentioned before, we have our own identity which we are proud of and like. However, though my country has certain restrictions regarding female and male separation, yet men and women are given equal opportunities but in segregated environments. At least women and men are never felt undermined or deprived from any opportunity because they are black or else. I am sure that discrimination in its worse was and still seen in most of white , western countries, while neither color nor any other reason for discrimination was and is never accepted in my country. ________________________________ From: Roger Hurwitz [/messageto.html?rhhu_(on)_csail.mit.edu] Sent: Wed 10/12/2005 7:13 PM To: Christian Boitet Cc: 'Christopher Brewster'; Steve Beet; Dr.Amal Al-Toaimy Subject: Re: [Elsnet-list] Give back to Caesar what pertains to Caesar what if the ad had added the already understood "Jewish women with Israeli citizenship need not apply" Roger Hurwitz CSAIL: Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge, MA 02139 On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:48 AM, Christian Boitet wrote: > > Dear all, 12/10/05 > > > > At 10:57 +0100 12/10/05, Steve Beet wrote: >> >> I'm afraid I have no idea what the "majority" of ELSNET's ethics and >> >> morals are (and I certainly don't believe any other ELSNET members >> >> know what mine are), but I do believe it would be even more >> >> unacceptable that ELSNET should impose "Western" (or any other) >> >> cultural standards on its members. >> >> If the local society of the advertiser requires restrictions on the >> >> gender of the person appointed, they can hardly place an >> >> advertisement which doesn't make that clear. For ELSNET to censor >> >> postings based on cultural beliefs would not only be unacceptable, it >> >> would be totally impractical. > > > > Steve seems to be right, and Christopher's view would lead to suppress > > possibilities for women, which would contradict his moral standards. > > > > AndS common sense also has it that, for example, positions for > > mannequins should be reserved to young and beautiful women, isn'it? > > > > May I recall Christus' saying: "give back to Caesar what pertains to > > Caesar". > > > > Best, > > > > Xan > > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: elsnet-list-bounces_(on)_elsnet.org >> >> [/messageto.html?elsnet-list-bounces_(on)_elsnet.org]On Behalf Of Christopher >> >> Brewster >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:53 PM >> >> To: 'Dr.Amal Al-Toaimy'; elsnet-list_(on)_elsnet.org >> >> Subject: RE: [Elsnet-list] FW: Vacant Positions / >> >> Computational Linguistics/Phonology >> >> I believe it unacceptable for Elsnet to accept advertisements for >> >> positions >> >> which are not reflecting equal opportunities between men and women. >> >> I do not >> >> think an advert intended only for women should be disseminated on >> >> this list. >> >> I would object equally to an advert addressed only to men. >> >> This is a matter of ethics and morals which the vast majority of us >> >> subscribe to. >> >> Christopher Brewster >> >> ***************************************************** >> >> Natural Language Processing Group, >> >> Department of Computer Science, University of Sheffield >> >> Tel: +44(0)114-22.21967 Fax: +44 (0)114-22.21810 >> >> Regent Court, 211 Portobello Street >> >> Sheffield S1 4DP UNITED KINGDOM >> >> Web: http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/%7Ekiffer/ >> >> ***************************************************** >> >> A definition is the enclosing a wilderness of an> -----Original >> >> Message----- >> >> > From: elsnet-list-bounces_(on)_elsnet.org >> >> > [/messageto.html?elsnet-list-bounces_(on)_elsnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr.Amal >> >> Al-Toaimy >> >> > Sent: 10 October 2005 19:11 >> >> > To: elsnet-list_(on)_elsnet.org >> >> > Subject: [Elsnet-list] FW: Vacant Positions / >> >> > ComputaionalLinguistics/Phonology >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Kindly edit the e -mail address mentioned in the previous e >> >> > mail to the ones below. Thanks ________________________________ >> >> > >> >> > From: Dr.Amal Al-Toaimy >> >> > Sent: Mon 10/10/2005 5:21 PM >> >> > To: elsnet-list_(on)_elsnet.org> Subject: Vacant Positions / >> >> Computational Linguistics/Phonology >> >> >> >> >> > Prince Sultan University- College for Women (PSU-CW) is a >> >> > newly established institution of higher education, founded in >> >> > 2001 in Riyadh, the capital of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. >> >> > It has three departments: The Computer science Department, >> >> > The English Department, and the Interior Design Department. >> >> > The English Department offers three distinguished educational >> >> > programs: Applied Linguistics, Translation, and Computational> >> >> Linguistics. The duration of each program is four years. >> >> >> As we are starting computational Linguistic courses this >> >> > spring (Feb 5th), we are searching for a full-time qualified >> >> > female lecturer with an MA or Ph.D degree in Computational >> >> > Linguistics and Computational Phonology to fill the required> The >> >> university offers competitive salary based on academic >> >> > qualifications and teaching experience in one's specialized> >> >> field. Other benefits include: medical insurance coverage >> >> > for the employee and dependents residing within the Kingdom; >> >> > transportation allowance; air tickets for up to four persons >> >> > to Riyadh on appointment and upon final departure from KSA to >> >> > country of origin; round-trip tickets for annual leave with >> >> > paid annual (summer) vacation of two (2) months; tuition fees >> >> > for school-age dependent children residing within the >> >> > Kingdom; paid leave for local holidays; end-of-service >> >> > gratuity; free furnished housing with basic furnishing and >> >> > free essential utilities and maintenance or housing allowance >> >> > based on basic salaries per year. The PSU furnished >> >> > apartments are located in Riyadh's Diplomatic Quarter (DQ), a >> >> > fifteen-minutes drive from the university and with easy >> >> > access to sports facilities and shopping malls. Please >> >> visit> amal33_(on)_gmail.com > > -- > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > Christian Boitet > > (Pr. Universite' Joseph Fourier) > > _______________________________________________ > > Elsnet-list mailing list > > Elsnet-list_(on)_elsnet.org > > http://mailman.elsnet.org/mailman/listinfo/elsnet-list > > Roger Hurwitz CSAIL: Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge, MA 02139 _______________________________________________ Elsnet-list mailing list Elsnet-list_(on)_elsnet.org http://mailman.elsnet.org/mailman/listinfo/elsnet-list
 

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